Saturday, 27 February 2016

WHAT THE GUVNOR'S SAY!


I recently came across some background notes I was putting together as part of a report I was preparing to give to one of the local radio stations I was working for at the time.  Among them were these quotations taken from books about and by Sir Terry Wogan and Sir Jimmy Young – two of the real Guvnors of British broadcasting history.

Their words and observations are just as relevant today as the day they were written and encompass many of my own beliefs on how to be successful in radio.



 We talk of a radio audience as if it were a group, as if it moved on blocks.   There are a million people out there – but they’re all individuals.   When people are listening to the radio, a ripple of laughter does not run around the stalls.   Nobody chortles in Chorleywood because somebody chuckled in Cleakheaton.   Every single radio listener makes up their own mind.

   Radio is the most individual, the most personal medium.   Which is why it’s a terrible mistake for broadcasters to categorise their listeners.   “Radio 2 is for the fifties and over” ignores the basic precept of radio listening.   It’s personal.   What pleases one fifty-year old won’t please another, but may delight a forty-year old.

   So, I take it, when you claim to broadcast to 50 year olds and over, you mean you’re going to play music to suit that one group.   Music from 50 to fade out.   I’ve news for you.   It’s impossible!

   I’m sorry – you cannot heap your grown up listeners into age groups.   God Almighty himself could not devise a music policy to satisfy a national age group as broad as 50 to Curtain Time!   But at Radio 2, you don’t have to………

   Because, and let me break this to you gently, Radio 2 is not a music network.   It never has been.   The vast majority of people who listen to Radio 2 – that is, the people who tune in every weekday from, say 7 in the morning until 7 in the evening, the most loyal, the most consistent group of any in the country, do NOT listen for the music.   I realise this will cause confusion, nay, panic, amongst songwriters, musicians, producers, middle management and even at controller level.

   Radio 2 weekdays is a ‘personality’ network.   People don’t listen to Sarah Kennedy, Jimmy Young or even me for the music.   They listen because they’ve become attached to the person presenting the programme – and, because of the personal, very intimate nature of the radio, for more deeply attached than they would ever become to any presenter on television.   An indication of this is the listeners’ need to fax, to email, to write, to their radio favourite to contribute, to establish a dialogue.   So where does the music come in?   The music matters only when it’s wrong.   When it jars, when it’s inappropriate, when it sits uneasily with the personality of the presenter.


   Radio 2 music should be selected to complement the personality of the presenter and the content of the programme.   My programme differs from Sarah Kennedy’s as much as hers differs from Jimmy Young’s, and his from Ken Bruce’s.   Self-evidently the music should reflect that difference.

   A draconian music policy is a mistake for a national radio station.   Opt for a specific type of music, and you are opting for a ‘niche’ audience.   Now a ‘niche’ audience is fine for a commercial radio station that doesn’t want to compete on the mass market place and attract advertisers to a specific audience.

Sir Terry Wogan – Musn’t Grumble (2006)



Jimmy Young wrote in his book ‘Forever Young’ about popularity of presenters, on his role in the early days of Radio 1 and on the news that his listening figures had gone through the roof.

   Back in 1967, the BBC was taken aback by what was happening to the JY Prog that they commissioned a survey to find out where I was getting my extra millions of listeners from at the unfashionable time of 10am.   What the survey discovered was almost incredible.   It reported that I had changed the routine in countless homes.   It reported people saying that, whereas they used to listen to Housewives Choice and then go out shopping, they were now doing their shopping before or after my programme so they wouldn’t miss me.   I had actually changed their shopping habits.   This was something that neither I nor the BBC had envisaged happening.   If it came as a shock to me, I wondered what the news was doing to Robin Scott.

   Robin had been given the job of creating a Radio 1 that was so hip, with it, so sharp that it could successfully replace the pirates.   But his star had turned out to be a forty-six year old guy playing middle-of-the-road music and reading recipes.   I knew I wouldn’t turn Robin’s hair white because it was famously white already, but I could imagine him tearing out handfuls of it in sheer frustration.   He had wanted to create an overall youthful image for the station and had installed a host of young DJ’s to create it for him.   The trouble was that the public didn’t want them – they wanted me.   I was very much an anachronism.   I was the tail wagging the dog.   But I was the success story that Robin couldn’t ignore.

The BBC didn’t like JY’s success and tried to stop the rot by forcing him to take a holiday.   He continues………..

   Working on the principle that if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again, the BBC wondered if they could stop me in my tracks by making me switch channels.   Accordingly it was decreed that I should broadcast on Radio 1 on Christmas Day and Radio 2 on Boxing Day.  

   On Christmas Day I got twice the audience as the person opposite on Radio 2.   And on Boxing Day I got two and a half times the audience of the person opposite me on Radio 1.

   There is no such thing as network loyalty.   Look what happened to Radio 1 when it dramatically changed its policy.   It lost half its listeners.   Network loyalty is just another planners fantasy.   People don’t have network loyalty.   They have broadcaster loyalty.   I can guarantee that if Terry Wogan left Radio 2 and went to another radio station which had the same signal strength and coverage as Radio 2 he would take most of his audience with him.   Planners hate to admit these kind of things, of course, because by doing so they would be admitting their own weaknesses and the strength of popular broadcasters.   But they all know it to be true.

And finally, Jimmy Young shares another of his broadcasting principles dear to my own heart…

   What is the point of broadcasting if nobody’s listening to you?   Putting bums on seats to listen to, and to take part, is the name of my game.



Some of my final quotes come from a biography ‘Arise Sir Terry Wogan’ by Emily Herbert who again puts across many of my long held views......

   He is aware that his general method of broadcasting is a world away from some of the more vulgar element of today’s media, and that his popularity has soared as a result.   “The generation which I belong to grew up on a diet of radio and television that was universally acceptable”, he says, “But over the past ten years, there has been a complete breakdown into niche broadcasting.   Youth has become more assertive.”

   And, as culture generally has become more youth orientated, so has the media that serves it.   But there’s a very good argument for saying the media is wrong.   Youth-orientated shows, on TV and radio, gain absolutely nothing like the audiences they used to and, while that is partly because there are now so many different channels to watch, it is also because the population is ageing and is simply not interested in what is being broadcast.

   The misapprehension about what people really want stretches right across the media and so it is hardly surprising that one of the few presenters actually coming up with what the public wants should find himself in such huge demand.


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